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Steve, does that feel like a big opportunity missed again against New Zealand?

Well, I think that to be put in a position where you're winning by the margin the team were at that point in time, then there's clearly an opportunity to win the game.

There's a pretty clear things why we didn't against a very good New Zealand team. We gave them a window to get back

and they took it. Where did you see it going wrong then? I recognise the question. It's important

to understand how much went right. If you look at that New Zealand team and you've got to credit

them, 10 players from the World Cup Final were playing there.

They had more than 1,000 caps.

They had more caps in their 15 than we had in our 23.

But this England team, led by Jamie, I think, really played smart rugby today.

Unfortunately, yes, we didn't get the win we wanted.

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