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Catching Foxes

Massa Damnata?

Catching Foxes

Luke and Gomer

Religion & Spirituality, Tv & Film, Christianity

4.7778 Ratings

🗓️ 21 May 2021

⏱️ 106 minutes

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Summary

Luke and Gomer talk about goodness and why people always want to be right in the Church, even when we damn our adversaries needlessly.

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  • Universalism, Balthasar, the Massa Damnata, and the Question of Evangelization. – Gaudium et Spes 22 — My point in all of this is not to dump on Ralph Martin, although his scandalous treatment of Balthasar and von Speyr richly deserves it, but to highlight the extent to which the traditionalist movement has become obsessed with eternal hellfire.  As I have mentioned before, their mantra should be “more hell cowbell please.” Martin’s book, “A Church in Crisis,” is an otherwise decent book with which I am in deep agreement on many points, which only underscores the oddity of his sudden flight into hysteria and calumny when it comes to the question of Balthasar and Hell.  And that really was the main point of all of the foregoing. Namely, that the retrieval of some concept of the massa damnata is so important to traditionalists that they are willing to eviscerate, and then to draw and quarter, even orthodox theologians of great stature who they deem to be too soft on the question.
  • How to Get to Heaven — Bishop Barron’s Sunday Sermon - YouTube — Friends, in today’s first reading, we hear from St. Peter that it is only through the name of the Lord that we may be saved. Whatever elements of truth there are to be found in various religions, these partial elements participate in the fullness of truth found in Jesus. In Christ and through Christ, we are made to become participants in God’s own life.
  • Ralph Martin Responds to Bishop Barron on the Salvation of Non-Christians - YouTube — Brothers and Sisters, because of the importance of the subject matter we thought we should share a special video message today. Bishop Robert Barron recently gave a sermon that has occasioned a lot of interest and some controversy. Fr. Mark Goring responded to some of what Bishop Barron said, but since part of what he said is an area that I have a deep concern about and also some expertise in, I thought I should offer some friendly comments. I hope you find them useful.
  • What Ought Balthasar to Hope? — "Death is not the final word." Desire, Experience, Conversion: An Interview with Father John Nepil hope #judgement #death
  • Psalm 22 RSVCE - Plea for Deliverance from Suffering and - Bible Gateway — My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Why art thou so far from helping me, from the words of my groaning?
  • That Nature is a Heraclitean Fire and of the Comfort of the Resurrection — In a flash, at a trumpet crash, I am all at once what Christ is, | since he was what I am, and This Jack, joke, poor potsherd, | patch, matchwood, immortal diamond,                             Is immortal diamond.

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0:00.0

Like, this is why I never want to change what we do.

0:03.0

I want to, I want to, like, I think I went too far last night.

0:05.9

So I'm glad they were not putting it out there.

0:09.0

It was, it was.

0:10.1

Guys, it was nuts.

0:11.3

Friends, it was nuts.

0:13.5

Luke literally called me afterwards.

0:15.2

He's like, hey, he sent me a text.

0:16.1

Hey, can me chat?

0:17.3

And I was like, yeah, hey, Luke, what's up? And he goes, hey, I was just thinking, maybe we don't, like, we got to edit out some of that beginning stuff. And I'm like,

0:23.5

yeah, Luke, I'm going to edit out everything that's not Dave and Vickle. Like, we're going to just

0:26.9

cut it down. It's going to be Dave telling hilarious stories as a bouncer, how we put three like yes oh wait dave's audio didn't record although we have it's just like um luke going

0:39.5

and the problem with bleep bleed bleep and his bleed bleep um luke named the names i named

0:46.1

very many names um it's it's been it had been building for years.

0:57.9

I may have talked about it last night when we may or may not have recorded a special podcast

0:59.9

that apparently no one will hear,

1:02.0

which is heartbreaking. Luke, it is literally heartbreaking.

1:05.9

When we got done and he said,

1:08.1

it's not uploading, I'll find the MP3 file. It's somewhere.

1:11.6

I was like, oh, don't tell me.

1:13.3

We lost Dave Van Vickles' incredible two and a half hour show.

1:19.1

And you know what this means, Luke?

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