And let the great debate begin.

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We have Jarrett Stepman back with us, and he is the news editor at the Daily Signal, I believe, also self-proclaimed Jackson enthusiast.

That's right.

And recently, Jared, you published a piece in the national

interest titled, The Republican Should Be the Party of Lincoln and Jackson. And I've always

kind of said around here that there are two people in Washington that care the most about

Andrew Jackson and as President Trump and Jared Stepman. Jared, could you elaborate a little bit on your article?

Absolutely.

So my article was essentially a response to Rich Lowry, who is the editor of National

Review, and he wrote this piece that was spread around.

It was the first in Politico about how the Republican Party should be very wary about

embracing Andrew Jackson, who is, of course, the first Democrat president and should really hold firm to Abraham Lincoln, the man who's attributed to the foundation of the party and somebody who's always been recognized as, of course, the first, the greatest Republican.

That was his argument, essentially, that we should hold tight to Abraham Lincoln. Liberals are trying to take him from us, and we shouldn't let that happen. My argument is actually that we should include Andrew Jackson and Lincoln in kind of the Republican or conservative pantheon of leaders is not somebody who we want to throw under the bus.

And so what is it that you think we most misunderstand about Andrew Jackson?

Yeah, I mean, I think Andrew Jackson, a figure that really hasn't been studied too much on the

right. And I think, unfortunately, I think a lot of his ideas and principles are something

that are very much in line with modern conservatives. He was

very much a limited government guy believed strongly in federalism. He believed that most power

should be delegated back to the states, while at the same time also being a unionist. I mean,

he staved off, which was essentially a secession movement in his own time, because he believed,

one, that most policy should be set by the states, but that if the states broke off from the union, that it would destroy the country. And so a lot of his arguments about the union and

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