Hello and welcome to another episode of the City Journal podcast. My name is Rafael Manguala,

your humble host for the day. And I am so glad to be joined by two of my favorite Manhattan

Institute colleagues, Daniel D. Martino, and the great Heather McDonald, welcome to you both.

I hate to start the show off on such a dark topic, but earlier today, and for those of you who are watching and listening on the day that this comes out, we are recording on Wednesday, September 24th, and this morning

news broke of yet another apparent episode of political violence. This time in North Texas,

where a now deceased shooter is alleged to have fired several rounds at a Dallas area

immigration and customs enforcement facility killing at least one and wounding two

others. Now, early reports suggest that the shooter wrote some anti-ice messages on some of the

bullets that were found near his position, which suggests a political motive. So, Daniel, you've been

writing and thinking about immigration issues for us so brilliantly,

but it just seems like level-headed analysis is giving way to increasingly vitriolic rhetoric.

I mean, I wonder if you could just start us off with some reactions to this story

and any thoughts you have on how to sort of temper the tone of our immigration debate.

Well, it's just really heartbreaking because it just seems that a much larger number of

Americans are willing to violently act under political disagreement.

Now we have a shooter that is allegedly an anti-ice person that wrote in some bullets, literally the words anti-ice,

but then ended up killing two migrants and wounding another.

The last report I saw is that two of them had died.

So he didn't even shot at the ICE agents themselves.

So there is something really strange happening

that I don't quite understand

with mental health in this country.

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