Hi, everyone. Welcome to Dance Know's History Hit. As you know, I am now in the Antarctic.

We are on a mission to try and find Shackleton's Lost Shipwreck. In the meantime, though, here's

a favourite episode from our archive. Enjoy.

Kate, would you like to come in on the pod?

I'm thrilled to be on the pod. It is my first time on the pod, and I'm a great admirer

of the pod, so fantastic to be here. I have tried getting the pod before. I'm embarrassed

to be on the pod, and it is long overdue. You're going to be on the pod again before I'm

certain. And also, I'm glad because you brought your daughter to the recording. And I'm

actually a bit worried about that, because her reading level is really very far advanced.

She's going to check, if I give you a wrong date, she can come in and check the first.

Well, that's what I'm worried about, because she's the same age as my daughter, but my daughter

is not yet reading the hiccup of Viking chapter books, so she's done the picture version

so I'm going to go home and get a bit tiger mum on her, I think.

Right, you are here talking about one of the great figures of British history. Tell me

about her. My new book is about Mary Queen of Scots. It's called Rival Queens, the betrayal

of Mary Queen of Scots. And I'm fascinated by the idea of two queens in one island, but

I'm also particularly fascinated by Mary herself. And what she experienced as a queen, I think

so often we see her as either a failure or a tragic queen. But in terms of Queen ship,

what she was doing was not dissimilar to many other very successful queens, it's just

that it failed for her. Well, listen, we're all failures. I don't

hold that against her. And so let's not talk about her as a prisoner yet. Let's talk about

her. Let's talk about her young life and how she started out. This remarkable path.

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