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Mary of Modena: life of the week

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4.34.5K Ratings

🗓️ 11 August 2025

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

Cultural historian and author Breeze Barrington brings to life the fascinating – and often misunderstood – story of Maria, or Mary, of Modena. Born into Italian nobility and raised with quiet ambitions of becoming a nun, Mary was thrust onto the European political stage as a teenage bride to James, Duke of York (later crowned as James VII of Scotland and II of England). Talking to Elinor Evans, Breeze shares how Maria navigated a foreign court, vicious anti-Catholic sentiment, and personal loss, to emerge as a resilient and principled queen. (Ad) Breeze Barrington is the author of The Graces: The Extraordinary Untold Lives of Women at the Restoration Court (Bloomsbury, 2025). Buy it now from Amazon: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Graces-Extraordinary-Untold-Lives-Restoration/dp/1526663783/?tag=bbchistory045-21&ascsubtag=historyextra-social-histboty. The HistoryExtra podcast is produced by the team behind BBC History Magazine. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to Life of the Week, where leading historians delve into the lives of some of history's most intriguing and significant figures.

0:11.0

From ancient Egyptian pharaohs and medieval warriors to daring 20th century spies.

0:22.2

Imagine being forced to give birth to a baby in front of as many as 80 witnesses,

0:28.4

amidst a climate of suspicion and fear in which many are calling for your husband's head.

0:34.6

This was the fate of Maria or Mary of Modena, the second wife of the man crowned, King James

0:42.0

II of England and Seventh of Scotland, a Catholic Italian princess shipped to England to marry James

0:49.3

when she was just 15. Maria's faith and foreigners later became lightning rods for xenophobia and misogyny

0:57.8

in Restoration Era England, eventually leading to the glorious revolution. In this episode,

1:04.7

you'll hear from historian and author Breeze Barrington, whose new book, The Graces, tells the story of Maria and the women who

1:13.3

surrounded her in the merry courts of Charles II. She was speaking to Eleanor Evans.

1:20.4

Her life is so often a little bit lost in terms of stories about succession and restoration

1:26.9

and revolution. And I'm so pleased that we're

1:29.6

going to be bringing her and her legacy to our listeners today. Before we do dive into her life,

1:35.7

I wondered if we could give a bit of context about the England that she finds herself in,

1:41.1

where we sort of meet her in your book. Who's on the throne? What's happening?

1:45.8

And why is her role so important in this story of succession? So when Maria arrived in England,

1:52.0

it was 1673. So at this point, it was Charles II on the throne. He'd been on the throne

1:58.7

since 1660, so about 13 years. And this is the kind of

2:03.8

the big moment of restoration after the English Civil War, after a sort of 10-year period of

2:09.8

the protectorate under Oliver Cromwell. And Charles II comes back as king. And when he came back,

2:16.2

there was a huge amount of celebrating and a lot of hope of

2:20.3

what this new reign might look like and a real sort of sense of positivity. By the time at 1673,

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