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I do think there's a tendency post-2020 when so many public institutions failed us. There is a tendency to assume that every single person is not telling you the truth, but I can see that it's a very tough job for people to try to figure out what's real and what's not.

This is your host, Scott Bertram.

Welcome to the Radio Free Hillsdale Hour.

That was Mary Catherine Hamm, host of the Getting Hammered and Normally Podcasts.

Also, a writer at Fox News and Outkick.

We'll go in depth with her on a number of subjects in just a moment. Also later on in today's program, Ben Beyer from Hillsdale's

Education Department will discuss the new online course, classical logic and rhetoric.

First, we're joined by Mary Catherine Hamm. She's the host of a couple of podcasts getting hammered. And normally, you can find her writing in places like Fox News.com, Outkick, and elsewhere, also on X at M.K. Hammer. And she is our Pollyam Fellow, this term, here at Hillsdale College, giving a public lecture here and teaching some of our journalism students.

Mary Catherine, thanks so much for joining us.

Thank you for having me. It's great to be here.

Good to have a discussion.

You've been doing lots of things in media for lots of years, starting in blogging, television, writing, podcasting.

Does it feel the same? Does it feel like things have shifted substantially underneath you?

Or do you still feel like you're doing similar things to 15 years ago? Well, the format keeps changing,

but I am comfortable with change. And I think that's one of the things that prepares you for a

media career if you want to attempt one, because the landscape is going to

shift in large ways while you're doing it, I think. Certainly in my arc of 20 years, I came out

of school and got a job fairly easily as a daily newspaper reporter in a small town in America.

That is not a job, unfortunately, that really

exists anymore, except on very rare occasions. And I think it's a really good job for journalists to

have because you have to plug yourself into a new community. You have to be a jack of all trades.

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