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Wonder Cabinet

Mary-Jane Rubenstein: Pantheism and the Godness of Nature

Wonder Cabinet

Wonder Cabinet Productions

Society & Culture, Wonder, Philosophy, Ttbook, Knowledge, Interview

4.81K Ratings

🗓️ 18 April 2026

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

What if nature isn’t just alive—but divine? Pantheism, once branded heresy, is finding new adherents among those who don’t consider themselves religious but still sense something sacred and wondrous in the living world.

Mary-Jane Rubenstein, a scholar of philosophy and religion, traces the long, contested history of wonder—from medieval mystics to modern seekers. She reflects on the Overview Effect, that disorienting moment when astronauts gaze back at Earth and feel both its fragility and its radiance. And she talks about the obsession that tech titans like Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk have for space exploration, which may be the new frontier of awe—even a new religion.

But awe is never simple. It can be as unsettling as it is beautiful, as terrifying as it is astonishing. It breaks us open even as it draws us in—leaving us to reckon with a world that is stranger than we thought.

0:00 Introduction
3:50 Pantheism: History and Ethics
11:15 Personal Spirituality
19:55 Awe, Wonder, and the Overview Effect
28:35 Space as Religion
35:50 The Wonder Cabinet


Wonder Cabinet is hosted by Anne Strainchamps and Steve Paulson. Find out more about the show at https://wondercabinetproductions.com, where you can subscribe to the podcast and our newsletter.

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0:00.0

Welcome to Wonder Cabinet.

0:03.0

I'm Anne Strangeamps.

0:04.0

And I'm Steve Paulson.

0:06.0

How often do we, any of us, take the time to stop and look up at the cosmos,

0:12.0

to just stand and stare at the moon or another planet or even our own star

0:18.0

and think how lucky we are to exist on this tiny blue planet, floating in a sea of

0:24.1

darkness. So here we are. And so the first thing we can do is we can close our eyes for a little bit.

0:32.2

The air is phenomenal right now. So just bring it in. It's an early spring morning, and physicist Marcelo Gleiser has assembled a group of friends for a bit of sun worship.

0:43.3

And we're going to all turn towards the sun.

0:47.3

We're at the island of knowledge in Tuscany, a think tank where the purpose is to bring science and the sacred together like this.

0:56.2

Now, you know what's going on in the sun, right?

0:58.7

The sun for four and a half billion years has been transforming the simplest chemical that exists,

1:07.1

which is hydrogen, into the next simple one, which is helium,

1:11.6

in this process called nuclear fusion.

1:13.6

And as it does that, it releases all the energy

1:17.6

that this planet uses in incredible ways

1:22.6

to sustain all kinds of life here.

1:25.6

And we don't thank the sun enough.

1:29.3

So now what we're going to do is

1:32.3

point our hands towards the sun

1:35.3

and feel the energy of the sun

1:38.3

going down your arms

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