Hi guys, Liz Wheeler here.

So you guys know that I'm on this anti-ESG kick right now.

I truly think that ESG, which stands for environmental, social, and governance metrics,

this is essentially the social credit score system that parallels the social credit score

system, the Chinese Communist inflict on their people.

This is the American version of it.

It's actually a globalist version, but it impacts us here in America through our banking system.

It's incredibly powerful.

It might be one of the biggest internal threats that we face in our nation.

I feel so strongly about this.

We've talked about it endlessly on the show, but I sat down and talked to Andy Pudzer

about what he's doing to fight ESG because you and I, we can sit here and we can educate

ourselves on it and we can encourage our elected representatives to vote against it, or

in the case of West Virginia, for example, they actually, the state stopped doing business

with financial firms that invest according to ESG, but Andy Pudzer is following a little

bit of a different playbook.

He has actually created an alternative way to invest if you as an individual investor.

You and I sitting right here, if we don't want our money to be invested by or in, invested

in or by firms that are governed by ESG, he has created a way for you to bypass this.

And it's really cool.

It was a really fascinating conversation.

This guy had, he was one of the first people who was ringing the alarm bell about ESG

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