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Political Gabfest

Political Gabfest - Martyrdom of Liz Cheney

Political Gabfest

Slate Podcasts

News, Politics, Government

4.48.5K Ratings

🗓️ 6 May 2021

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

David, John and Emily discuss Liz Cheney's defiance of Trumpists; Trump’s Facebook suspension; and meatlessness getting (more) political.


Here are some notes and references from this week’s show:

Kimberly Robinson for Bloomberg Law: “Video: The Wild Hypotheticals Posed by Justice Stephen Breyer


John Dickerson for CBS News: “Ron Klain on ‘Face the Nation,’ May 2, 2021


Evelyn Douek for Lawfare: “It's Not Over. The Oversight Board's Trump Decision is Just the Start.


These Truths: A History of the United States, by Jill Lepore


Ezra Klein for the New York Times: “Let’s Launch a Moonshot for Meatless Meat


John Dickerson for Slate: “Go for the Throat!: Why if He Wants to Transform American Politics, Obama Must Declare War on the Republican Party.


John Dickerson for JohnDickerson.com: “End of the Year Thoughts 2020 (Five Months Too Late).


Never Let Me Go, by Kazuo Ishiguro


Hard Knocks, HBO


Here’s this week’s chatter:

John: Klara and the Sun, by Kazuo Ishiguro


Emily: Mom Genes: Inside the New Science of Our Ancient Maternal Instinct, by Abigail Tucker


David: Formula 1: Drive to Survive, Season 3, Episode 9: Man on Fire


Listener chatter from Michael Sagmeister: Mitchell Clark for The Verge: “Bad Software Sent Postal Workers to Jail, Because No One Wanted to Admit It Could Be Wrong.


For this week’s Slate Plus bonus segment, Emily, John, and David discuss how the freedom they feel to share their opinions has changed with their jobs and the journalism environment.


If you enjoy the show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the Political Gabfest. Sign up now at slate.com/gabfestplus to help support our work.


Tweet us your questions and chatters @SlateGabfest or email us at gabfest@slate.com. (Messages may be quoted by name unless the writer stipulates otherwise.)


Podcast production by Jocelyn Frank.

Research and show notes by Bridgette Dunlap.


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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the Slate Political Gab Fest from May 6th, 2021, the Martyrdom Liz Cheney edition.

0:14.0

I'm David Plotz of CityCast here in Washington, D.C.

0:19.0

When I look out my window, I see Liz Cheney being dragged down the street. Oh, no, she's not. I didn't see that. I am joined by Emily Bazelon of the New York Times Magazine and Yale University of Law School from New Haven. Hello, Emily. Hello. And John Dickerson of CBS is 60 Minutes, who is right now John Dickerson of CBS's Face the Nation because he's doing a season-long stint hosting Face the Nation. Hello, John. That's right. Hello, David. So watch Face the Nation again, now that John's back on it. Yeah, it's been two weeks, and I can't, it's, it's, it's so strange to think that I did that show for two and a half years.

0:55.2

I don't know.

0:55.8

It's a very, it's a weird, it's, it's, it's, um, it, uh, it both feels trademark eloquence

1:03.5

from John Dickerson.

1:04.5

Familiar and also, I guess because it's in a new studio.

1:07.8

Anyway, um, that was, that wasn't terribly eloquent, but there we go.

1:14.2

Ratings are definitely up, though.

1:16.7

With the coming defenestration of Liz Cheney, the transformation of the Republican Party

1:22.5

into a delusional anti-democratic Trumpist conspiracy is complete.

1:27.0

That will be our first topic. Our second topic,

1:29.2

the Facebook Supreme Court has spoken, and Donald Trump still cannot be on that social platform.

1:34.9

What a lucky duck. I wish I couldn't be on Facebook. That would be great.

1:38.2

You can't. You can take yourself off. Good grief. That's true. It was a joke, Emily.

1:43.9

No, I'm too literal for a joke like that. I can't handle it. Go ahead. Then America's at Meat Wars. Are we headed for a meatless world, a meatless country, or will it be just another culture war that we have to fight? Plus, we'll have cocktail chatter. Oh, whoof. It was such a funny story.

2:03.3

You saw that former Justice Breyer totally botched his stint guest toasting Jeopardy this week.

2:09.1

He was supposed to do it for a week and they pulled him after just one day because he just

2:13.1

failed to understand that on Jeopardy, he gives the answers and the contestants ask the questions.

2:19.5

He kept trying to turn the answers on the board into questions, like it was the Supreme Court

2:24.5

hearing. It was crazy. Breyer says that after a lifetime of asking questions from the bench,

2:29.0

he was perplexed by the Jeopardy format and that he hopes to be a judge on American Idol instead.

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