Hello from Washington. I'm Chuck Todd, and this is the Chuck Todd cast. So my guest today is Martin O'Malley. He's the former governor of Maryland. He's the former mayor of Baltimore. And most recently, he was the commissioner of the Social Security Administration in the Biden administration. That is a political appointment job, if you're curious. In November, O'Malley launched

his own campaign to become the next chair of the Democratic National Committee. In fact, he may

have the longest resume of anybody running. And just a quick timestamp for you,

recorded this conversation on Monday, November 9th, just so you know where we are

in the timeline. Before we get started, remember to stick around for an audience question. And if you

have a question you'd like us to answer, email us at the chuck todcast at gmail.com.

So before I get to my conversation with Martin O'Malley, I'm actually going to ask him about what I think is the most interesting development politically since the election.

And that is the announcement by the mayor of Detroit, Mike Duggan, a very popular mayor of Detroit.

The scene is a very successful mayor of Detroit, whose son was in charge of Biden, the Biden Harris campaign in the state of Michigan.

He announced that he's going to run for governor, but he's not going to run as a Democrat.

He's going to run as an independent.

There's a lot of ways to look at that decision by Mike Duggan.

One is we're looking at a very competitive primary developing, the sitting

lieutenant governor, the sitting secretary of state, both Jocelyn Benson and the lieutenant

governor Gilchrist are both very active and likely to run. And it was going to be a very

tough primary and you were going to have a leading

African-American, a leading woman, and a leading white male from Detroit all on the ticket.

Perhaps he was concerned about not being able to get through a primary. I'm old enough to

remember when the more electable candidate couldn't get through a gubernatorial primary back in 1994.

Debbie Stabenow, the first time she ran for statewide office, she ran for governor in 94

and lost in the Democratic primary to a candidate who had more union support.

I believe the gentleman's name was Howard Wolpe.

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