Hey, it's Glenn Thrush with Politico's Off Message podcast.

I just had a nice long interview with Governor Martin O'Malley, who could be a kingmaker

here in Iowa.

And we talked a bit about what it is like to run a long shot campaign. We talked a little bit about guitars. But most

importantly, we talked about the Iowa caucuses and the potential kingmaker role that O'Malley

might play. He's polling around 3%, could really have as much as 6% or 7% of the vote.

And where his voters go, to Sanders or to Clinton, could really clinch this very close race.

O'Malley said some really interesting things.

Here's my talk with Governor O'Malley.

How many guitars do you take with you on the road? You know what? I never take a guitar with me on the road,

but guitars emerge. People bring them. There was a guy last night in, where were we? Storm Lake.

And I get out of the car and he's waiting there. And he said, hey, would you play this

guitar? I said, is it in tin? He said, I don't know. I just bought it for 40 bucks down the street.

Are you kidding me? So he bought it special for that purpose? Yeah, but he didn't bring it a specially

tuned. And when did you start playing? I started playing when I was 17. So I fell into a good supply and demand curve

when there were multiple Irish bar restaurants throughout the D.C. suburban Maryland area and only

a limited number of bands. So we weren't very good, but we managed to carry about 20 songs, and we just did them twice in the course

of the night. They kept paying us. What were the, what was the repertoire? You know, it's kind of,

you know, your typical Irish bar stuff, a lot of Clancy Brothers. Fields of Flanders. Uh, yeah,

green fields of France, fields of Athen Rye, uh, Bren on the Moor, Rising of the Moon, all of those

whiskey in the jar?

Yeah, we did.

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