Hey, this is Glenn Thrush with Politico's off message podcast here in New Hampshire.

Jeb Bush is an interesting guy, and he's in an interesting situation.

Started off this campaign as being

the Republican frontrunner, had all the money in the world, looked to be unbeatable, and then

everything fell apart. I took a bus ride with him on the way from Manchester to Concord on Saturday,

and he reflected on his campaign. I thought it was a really interesting conversation because

it's really boiled down to three things. First, he wants to win, obviously.

Secondly, he really, really wants to take out Marco Rubio. And thirdly, and kind of perhaps in contradiction to the first two, he wants to change the process, make it more rational, make it more meaningful for what the presidency is.

And probably the most interesting moment for me in the entire podcast was when he talked about

his brother, George W. Bush. He was more passionate in my mind in defending his brother's

presidency than he was in defending himself against Donald Trump's attack. So here is a 35-minute interview.

I think you'll find very interesting with former Florida governor, Jeb Bush.

So hi, governor.

Good to see you.

Thanks, Gwen.

Thanks for joining the bus.

Yeah, we are in the back of a bus, I should say, pulling out a parking lot of St. Anselms.

And we are in,

how would you describe this? A slush bucket? It is, uh, looks like it stopped snowing, but now it's

going to be, uh, pretty, pretty nasty to be walking in it, which is going to hurt our

hundred volunteers that we were counting on going door to door. Really? So that's going to be a pain in the neck. We'll do it, though.

So what we were just talking about before we started was I've been watching you in the debates.

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