Welcome to stay free with Russell Brand, an in-depth conversation with free thinkers who awaken us to the glorious world around us.

Previously, I've spoken to Tim Robbins, Bandana Shiva, Maya, Graham Hancock.

These are all available right now on Rumble or by downloading the podcast.

Joining me for this episode is Martin Guri, a former CIA analyst and author.

He has done a great deal of research into power and the transformation of the media environment and how that's shaped the

entire discourse of the modern world. He's the author of the revolt of the public and the crisis

of authority in the new millennium. I'm very excited about this interview. I think Martin Guri

from his unique position as a former CIA insider has understood the dynamics of contemporary power better than almost anyone else. Maybe someone like Adam Curtis is close to understanding how fundamental the changes we're currently experiencing are. the reason that previous terminology is redundant,

the most obvious example being left versus right, why don't these terms make sense anymore?

Why is it that there feels like an attempt to assert power in unprecedented ways?

Why are we experiencing more censorship, more calls for people to carry digital ID?

Why is authoritarianism being masked,

particularly in liberal clothing around social justice issues? Martin Guri, I think, has a unique

take on this, and I think that from his work in this book and presumably elsewhere in his writing,

we can get a different understanding on why our world is the way

it is today. I'm extremely excited about this interview.

Martin, thank you so much for joining me on Stay Free. I'm really excited to speak with you.

This is a pretty unique interview for me in, I've actually read the book, which is a rare achievement.

That's pretty unique for me too, that people have read the book when they interview me.

Yes.

I make a point of going into my interviews based purely on trust, blind faith, ignorance, but today I'm actually prepared and

the reason I'm prepared is because we were speaking to Michael Schellenberger and he mentioned

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