This is the reason interview with Nick Gillespie. Thanks for listening or watching.

My guest today is Martin Gurry. He's a former CIA analyst who's a visiting fellow at the Mercado Center and a columnist for the free press.

A decade ago in the wake of the Arab Spring and various color revolutions, Guri published a book called The Revolt of the Public and the Crisis of Authority

in the New Millennium, which analyzed how social media empowered ordinary people to resist

control from above.

And it also anticipated the rise of Donald Trump, French President Emmanuel Macron, and Brexit.

I spoke with Gurry shortly after the 2024 election at the

Reason Speak Easy. That's a monthly unscripted conversation in New York City with outspoken defenders

of free thinking and heterodoxy in an age of intellectual conformity and group think. Go to reason.com

slash events to get more information on the recent

speakees. I talked with Gurry about why he voted for Trump and why he's cautiously optimistic

about the next four years. Here is the reason interview with Martin Gurry.

Martin Gurry, thanks for talking to Reason.

Love to be here.

All right.

Great to have you guys.

Authors never get to see their readers.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Let's start with a column that you wrote for the free press a couple weeks before the election where you said, hey, you know, I

didn't vote in the previous two presidential elections when Trump was on the ballot, but screw it.

I'm voting for Trump this time. And you said because, you you know the dividing line for you was that

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