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Natalie Haynes Stands Up for the Classics

Martial

Natalie Haynes Stands Up for the Classics

BBC

Stand-up, History, Comedy

4.8598 Ratings

🗓️ 28 November 2023

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

Epigrams, jokes, highly-polished poems in praise of the Emperor. Oh, and absolute filth. These are what made the name of the first-century Roman poet Martial. It has taken nearly two thousand years for Martial's work to be considered a fit subject for study by classicists. His poems to the Emperor may have been as highly crafted as a Fabergé egg, but nestled beside these jewels, in the same volume, were works of 'incomprehensible obscenity'. The Romans loved both, apparently. His work is still funny, and still shocking.

Natalie is joined by Professor Llewelyn Morgan and comedian Robin Ince to discover what we can learn about the poet and his readers from his work, and if he can still make us laugh.

Spoiler: he can.

‘Rock star mythologist’ and reformed stand-up Natalie Haynes is obsessed with the ancient world. She explores key stories from ancient Rome and Greece that still have resonance today. They might be biographical, topographical, mythological or epic, but they are always hilarious, magical and tragic, mystifying and revelatory. And they tell us more about ourselves now than seems possible of stories from a couple of thousand years ago.

Producer: Mary Ward-Lowery

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:05.1

Ladies and gentlemen, today I am standing up for Marshall.

0:20.0

Marcus Valerius Martialis, hugely prolific poet and creator of scabrous satirical epigrams.

0:27.1

We know him better as Marshall.

0:29.2

He was born in Bilbilis, which is in the Roman province of Hispania Terraconensis, that's northern Spain to us, around the year 40 CE.

0:39.5

So Spain was a wealthy province, well, three provinces, I think, of Rome.

0:43.9

It was rich because of olive oil and because of wine exports, and its people were Roman citizens.

0:49.8

So it produced other celebrated writers and thinkers like Seneca, the philosopher, Lucan,

0:54.6

the epic poet, maybe even Marshall's younger contemporary juvenile.

0:59.5

We know very little about Marshall's childhood, but he was probably quite well to do because

1:05.8

he had a good education and you had to pay for it.

1:08.8

Not only does he write poems, which suggests at the very least literacy,

1:12.4

ideally also skill, but it's never a given, is it? But he has also read everything. He is always

1:19.6

mentioning Virgil, Catullus, Lusilius, Ovid, he's read everything. When he moves to Rome as well,

1:24.9

he hangs out with lots of wealthy friends, which implies that he's from quite polite society himself.

1:30.2

He seems to have become an equestrian, which translates as being sort of solid middle or upper middle class.

1:36.6

The property qualification was 400,000 Cistercies, which, you know, money is really hard to translate through time, but somewhere between 300 and 600,000 pounds today, perhaps.

1:47.7

So when he says in the 13th poem of Book 5, he says,

1:51.8

I admit it, I'm a pauper, and I always was,

1:54.4

we can probably take that as poetic and comedic exaggeration.

1:59.2

And anyway, he goes on in that poem.

2:01.4

He says, I'm not an unknown.

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