Martha C. Nussbaum on how fear deforms our politics
The Gray Area with Sean Illing
Vox Media Podcast Network
4.5 • 11.1K Ratings
🗓️ 17 September 2018
⏱️ 55 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Democracy is demanded. It demands that you respect other people, give and receive and establish |
| 0:06.2 | relationships based on trust and reciprocity, which is of course what democracy is all about. |
| 0:24.4 | Hello, welcome to El Sir Clancho on the Vox Media Podcast Network. |
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| 0:42.5 | That said, this is a podcast that I actually think is pretty important. Martha Siena Spam is one of our |
| 0:48.0 | great living philosophers and she's been working in recent years to put emotions back at the center |
| 0:53.4 | of not just philosophy, but of how we understand politics. Her new book is called Monarchy of Fear. |
| 0:57.7 | I think it's particularly important because fear is the dominant emotion of our political age. It is |
| 1:04.0 | driving Donald Trump. It is driving reactions to Donald Trump and understanding it, how it's generated |
| 1:09.2 | in society, how it's generated in politics, how it's generated in individuals is necessary. It's a |
| 1:14.0 | precondition, I think, to understanding why politics is what it is and feels the way it feels. |
| 1:20.1 | The way she does this in the book is pretty interesting. She begins in infancy. She writes, |
| 1:25.8 | the discrepancy between the very slow physical development of the human infant and its rapid cognitive |
| 1:30.4 | development is in many respects a nightmare story. And she's saying there, we become able to know what |
| 1:36.1 | we want and what we need long before we're able to do it. We are trapped in a body that doesn't work. |
| 1:41.2 | For longer than we're trapped in a mind that doesn't understand. And that creates a real sense of |
| 1:45.9 | terror. And she goes on to say, we usually survive this condition, but we do not survive it without |
| 1:50.5 | being formed and deformed by it. Fear, genetically first among the emotions persists beneath them all |
| 1:56.6 | and infects them all, nibbling around the edges of love and reciprocity. This is a hell of a way |
| 2:02.0 | of understanding not just our politics, but our humanity itself. So as always you can email me at |
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