Welcome back to We Can Do Hard Things. We're already laughing around here because today, we

have a double date with some of our favorite people. Are you excited? I'm so excited. Martha

and Rowan, I mean. Dr. Martha Beck is a New York Times bestselling author,

Life Coach and Speaker. She holds three Harvard degrees in social science, but who doesn't?

An Oprah Winfrey has called her one of the smartest women I know. Her newest book, The Way of

Integrity. I love this book. I love this book. I love this book. Finding the path to your true self

was an instant New York Times bestseller. Obviously. Rowan Mangan is a writer,

podcaster and mom to a vivacious toddler. Salty, Clotsie and Ozzy. Row co-hosts, The Be Will

Dord podcast, which all of you must listen to. It is so good. And also, I just feel like we're

talking about some of the same things and it makes me really excited. Okay.

Podcasts with her wife, Martha Beck. She also runs the Wild Inventures newsletter and

Community on Substack. Rowan is currently pursuing publication for her first novel,

A Magical Realist Thriller set on the West Coast of Ireland, which I didn't know when I'm very excited

for you Rowan. Thank you. It's amazing. It's amazing. Truly. Welcome to We Can Do I Think

You. It's so good to see your faces. So we miss you. This double date is a first for us because

we can do hard things listeners. Martha and Rowan are missing one person who is Karen,

because Martha and Rowan and Karen are in a polyamorous relationship. That's how you describe.

Yeah. Croupled. Okay. A throttle. A throttle. Right. Okay. So deeply satisfying domestic arrangement.

I would say that for me too. Said 1% of the population that they are in a deeply

satisfying domestic arrangement. Okay. So can you talk to us first about how this all came together?

Because parts of it make me laugh so hard. But Martha, you were married to a dude. Long time ago.

Yeah. Married to a guy. We got together. But a long time ago, I had three kids. He was gay. I was gay

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