120. Jen Hatmaker’s Back! Forgiveness & the Audacity to Rebuild

We Can Do Hard Things

Glennon Doyle & Audacy

Society & Culture, Relationships, Education, Self-improvement

4.8 • 41.1K Ratings

🗓️ 9 August 2022

⏱️ 67 minutes

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1. Why Jen believes none of us is safe from betrayal – but how she knows with certainty it will never happen to her again. 2. The useful part of unforgiveness, the worst thing about forgiveness, and how to know when it’s time to forgive. 3. Brené Brown’s advice to Jen for how to begin rebuilding brick by brick after the life you built implodes. 4. The steps Jen took to learn to trust her body for the first time – and what she calls her body now. 5. What Jen would go back and tell her kids about marriage and divorce if she could do it differently. About Jen: Jen Hatmaker is the New York Times bestselling author of For the Love and Fierce, Free, and Full of Fire, along with twelve other books. She hosts the award-winning For the Love podcast, is the delighted curator of the Jen Hatmaker Book Club, and leader of a tightly knit online community where she reaches millions of people each week. Jen is a co-founder of Legacy Collective, a giving organization that grants millions of dollars toward sustainable projects around the world. She is a mom to five kids and lives just outside Austin, Texas. TW: @JenHatmaker IG: @jenhatmaker To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	I walk through a fire I came out the other side.
0:11.1	Welcome to We Can Do Hard Things.
0:12.9	It's our favorite day because one of our favorite people in all the land is back with us today.
0:18.2	Her name is Jen Hatmaker.
0:19.5	You may know her from all the other things, okay?
0:23.2	What we're talking about today is this rhythm of life.
0:30.3	Okay, and this rhythm of life that I started noticing was when I looked back at the time
0:37.7	that my marriage imploded my first marriage because of infidelity.
0:42.5	And it felt like not in the moment, I didn't know what the hell was going on in the moment.
0:45.5	When I looked back on it, it felt like there was a distinct rhythm to that time,
0:49.5	which was first it was just utter pain and shock.
0:52.8	Then there was this waiting time where the shock started to wear off and I actually had to do something.
0:59.0	It's like the pain as your house falls down, the house you're living in falls down.
1:03.9	And then the waiting is, okay, now I have to like brick by brick start building.
1:09.9	And then there's this third phase that is the rising, where you look at this new house that you
1:16.2	were forced to build that you never wanted to build.
1:18.0	And you're like, oh shit, this house is even better than the house I lived in before.
1:22.5	It's almost like it was all necessary to have a more beautiful life.
1:26.8	And then this rhythm of life, you know, I think in my first book, I wrote about it as Easter.
1:32.6	It's like, good Friday is the pain and then Saturday is the waiting and then Sunday.
1:38.2	Easter Sunday is the rising.
1:39.5	It's like fall, winter, spring, dusk, night, dawn.
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