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Hello and welcome to Marshall Matters with me, Winston Marshall at The Spectator in London.

Today I'm joined by Sorab Amari, a founder and editor of Compact magazine,

contributing editor of the American Conservative, author of the books The New Philistines

a critique of how identity politics have corrupted the arts,

from fire by water about his conversion to Catholicism and the unbroken thread, discovering

the wisdom of tradition in an age of chaos. But crucially, Sorab is or was the editor of the New York

Post when the Biden laptop story broke, which of course,

with the recent Twitter files exposed by Matt Taibi and Barry Weiss, is back as a number one

story in the world. So, Rob, thank you so much for taking the time to speak with me today.

Thanks for having me, Winston.

So I want to get into the Twitter files, but first of all, I want to ask you about the laptop story.

So you broke the laptop story before the presidential election in, I think, November 2020.

It was in October 2020.

But how did the laptop get from a Delaware computer service shop into your hands? So I should start by noting I was the comment editor of the post at the time.

Okay. So I was not involved in the reporting of the Hunter Files laptop story. In the U.S., there's this weird Chinese wall between

news and opinion. So the opinion sits on one side, news on the other. So I was, of course,

running our op-ed pages and so forth. But obviously, we followed it like everyone else at the

paper. I woke up at 5 in the morning on October 14th, the day that the first hunterfile story appeared on our front page at the post.

I encountered it alongside everyone else.

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