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Marshall Matters: Helen Joyce

Best of the Spectator

The Spectator

News Commentary, News, Daily News, Society & Culture

4.4785 Ratings

🗓️ 24 October 2022

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

Author and journalist Helen Joyce speaks to Winston about the most contentious issue of the age: the transgender debate. They discussed Mermaids, Tavistock, the Scottish Gender Bill and her new book; perhaps the most authoritative on the subject. Is the growing phenomenon what Jung called a 'psychic endemic'? Listen to find out…

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0:00.0

The Spectator magazine combines incisive political analysis with books and arts reviews of unrivaled authority. free. Go to spectator.com.uk forward slash voucher.

0:27.2

Hello and welcome to Marshall Matters with me Winston Marshall at The Spectator. On this

0:34.1

podcast I've been exploring freedom of speech and taboo topics in the creative industry.

0:40.3

Well, it seems to me there is no more totemic and taboo a topic than the trans debate.

0:46.9

J.K. Rowling, the world's most famous author, constantly receiving death threats for her

0:52.0

gender critical opinions. Graham Linnehan, creator of the IT crowd and Father Ted,

0:58.0

but a little bit of his work has had his creative career completely unravel.

1:03.0

Even this last month, we had Christian Henson,

1:07.0

was the co-founder of Spitfire Audio, a music studio that creates audio for software,

1:13.5

amongst other things, was suspended for expressing gender-critical opinions on his Twitter,

1:18.4

and even more recently, the keyboard player from Brit Award-winning band Elbow. Craig Potter

1:25.8

vanished from Twitter after expressing concern for what was happening to

1:32.0

children and again expressing gender critical opinions. So to explore the trans issue, I am joined by

1:40.6

Britain editor, The Economist and author of Trans Helen Joyce.

1:45.4

Helen, thank you so much.

1:46.7

Thanks for inviting me in.

1:47.9

So, hardball question to start off, is a trans woman a woman?

1:52.0

No, of course not.

1:52.9

We all know what woman means.

1:54.1

Woman means that you were conceived, female, you got born, and you grew up.

1:57.6

You didn't die before you grew up.

1:59.0

That's the only criterion for being a one.

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