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Hello and welcome to Marshall Matters with me, Winston Marshall at the Spectator Building in London.

Today I'm joined by Candice Owens, author of Blackout, American Conservative,

activist, commentator and writer and host of a show on the Daily Wire as of last year.

Candice, thank you so much for joining me. I'm actually very pleased to be here. Yeah, it's a great

pleasure. I've read your book during my lockdown

experience and you've been very busy. It's been a very busy couple of years for you. It has.

I feel like I have not stopped moving between having two children and getting married and then

all the projects that I've been working on. Yeah. It has been a tremendously busy couple of years.

I want to kind of get straight into it.

You earlier in October were photographed with Kanye West. So on this show, I've been exploring

free speech in the creative industries. It's one of the main themes. And you're photographed

with Kanye, your friend, I believe, or yay, as he is now referred to, with the shirt,

White Lives Matter. What's the story? You know, the story really is that Yea messaged me,

we are friends, and he told me that he needed me to be at Paris Fashion Week. And he was a bit

nebulous on the details. He just sort of said, I really, really, really need you there.

And I wasn't sure if he wanted me there as a spectator, if he wanted me there to be a part of the

show. But I knew that I wanted to support him. And the reason for that is I believe that he is

a creative genius. And actually a big piece of my story and what gave me the courage to speak out about who I am as an individual

was Kanye's music growing up. As a girl who had nothing, Kanye's music really is almost

10 years into the future in terms of calling out the media and the way that they kind of created

an enemy out of him as he was getting started. And so I absolutely jumped on to a plane to Paris,

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