Welcome everyone to Family Talk. It's a ministry of the James Dobson Family Institute, supported by listeners just like you.

I'm Dr. James Dobson, and I'm thrilled that you've joined us.

Well, welcome to Family Talk, the broadcast division of the Dr. James Dobson Family Institute.

I'm Roger Marsh, and today we're bringing you a conversation featuring the late Gary Smalley,

a beloved author, speaker, and marriage expert whose nearly 50-year career helped countless couples

build stronger relationships through Bible-based wisdom.

Gary Smalley had a rare gift of combining humor with deep insight.

He often joked that he made his living telling people how he messed up his own marriage, and what he learned from those mistakes.

Gary's transparency and practical teaching style made his message resonate with millions. Before he went

home to be with the Lord in 2016, Gary authored more than 60 books and produced materials that

have helped families all around the world. In the conversation you're about to hear, Dr. James

Dobson talks with Gary Smalley about four common germs that infect marriages and three powerful antibiotics

to cure them. So whether you're in the newlywed season or you're celebrating decades of

marriage together, this timeless wisdom will strengthen your relationship. Here now is Dr. James

Dobson and his guest, Dr. Gary Smalley, on today's edition of Family Talk.

The four germs that interfere with marriage, you're weakened marriage, or kill marriage.

What are they? Let's start with number one. And these come from Dr. Scott Stanley and Howard

Markman's work and Dr. John Gottman's work and several other different people in the country.

But here's how I like to set it up if I can explain it this way.

Let's imagine that we have a unity candle here that you would see at a typical wedding.

You have the two smaller candles on the outside that are lit already.

And then you have the one center candle that's

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