When his wife became pregnant with their fourth child Greg panicked, but a focus on the family counselor put everything into perspective.

He said, the first thing you need to realize if kids are a blessing, or all of the

blessing, that their gifts from God, and the second thing you said was, kids value

relationships, not stuff. Greg and his wife found the encouragement they needed and today they have a happy thriving family of seven children.

We have been really influenced by the culture and by just the kind of overall negativity about kids and to hear from someone, you know,

just godly truth that kids are special, that they're wanted and that they're a blessing was huge to us.

I'm Jim Daly and we love kids.

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I'm John Fuller and I have issued slash marriage We'll get to your issues in just a minute, but first let's go ahead and hear from Dr Kevin Lehman

He's got a theory about birth order. It makes a lot of sense helps a lot of couples and here he is with Jim

Daly I didn't ask Jim if we could do this,

but it'd be kind of fun to hear you

give an assessment of where he and Gene might be at

as a couple.

I was asked that about you and Dina.

I preempted you on that. Who's driving the show here?

So because you're the baby of the family.

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