Let's talk with Heather Dubro starts now.

Hi everybody.

Hi everybody, welcome back.

As you listen to this I am in Europe with Terry and two

kids pray for me we actually recorded this episode last week knowing that I

would be out of town but I wanted to talk a little bit

about traveling for spring break because I realize I don't think it's the first

trip that we've taken with less than the entire family I've done that once or twice, but this feels like the first

trip because it's the first intentional final four trip. So Terry and me and the last two kids, that's the

final four. We have a group chat, the final four.

I plan this trip much to Terry Chagrin

because he's not the best traveler,

and he'd prefer not to travel with the kids.

But we are, and that's a thing. Anyway, I am in charge of the family.

So meaning I'm in charge of the schedules and the dinners and the celebrations, the after-sheds, the really little, you know, it was easier. You went to a beach and they played the

sand for hours and it was exhausting for everyone and it was good. But as

they've gotten older, obviously we want to expose them to more plus we live by the

beach so at some point when they could go to the beach on their own it wasn't as

exciting to go on a beach vacation so now I've planned different kinds of trips and then obviously with the

pandemic we were all home a lot so here we are. So I planned this trip for the Final Four to Europe.

You know, I really tried to balance it for everyone,

so there'd be something, well not for Terry,

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