In any conversation, you might need a variety of things from your spouse.

Robert Walgamuth explains how he and his wife, Nancy, approach their communication.

Every time we talk about a situation like this, we say, okay, do you just want a listening

year?

Do you want some thoughts?

Like, how does this sound to me?

Or do you want some ideas, like what I think you ought to do?

That's so helpful to kind of break it down like that, because sometimes I'm not looking for advice.

I'm looking for a nod and a smile and a hand to hold.

This is the Revive Our Hearts podcast with Nancy DeMas Walgamu, co-author of You Can Trust God to Write Your Story.

For June 18th, 2021, I'm Dana Gresh.

Do you love a man who's either in his retirement years or getting close to that time of life?

What are his unique needs in this time? How could you help meet them? With Father's Day just around

the corner, we wanted to address these questions with Nancy's husband, Robert Walgamuth. He's the

author of a new book called Gunlap, Staying in the Race with Purpose.

Yesterday on Revive Our Hearts, Robert explained where that title comes from. He said,

Gun Lap is a racing term. The gun goes off when the race starts. But in the longer distance

competitions, they also fire that gun when the lead runner enters the last lap.

That's the gun lap. And Robert uses that as a metaphor for the race of life. We want to make sure we don't give up.

We want to run well all the way to the end. If you missed yesterday's program, you can catch it by scrolling back in your podcast feed or at revive our hearts.com.

Let's listen to part two of a conversation Nancy and I had with her husband, Robert Wulgamuth.

We left off yesterday talking about the feelings of uselessness that men often have when they enter their gunlap years.

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