Marriage Edition: Love & Lust (Off the Record)
Tudors Dynasty & Beyond
RedTop Media / Rebecca Larson
4.4 • 869 Ratings
🗓️ 8 March 2026
⏱️ 79 minutes
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Summary
Welcome to another Sunday Funday of Off the Record with Amy & Rebecca!
This time I take the lead (forgive me - I’m still getting used to that 😅) as we dive into a few Tudor and Elizabethan relationships that have always fascinated me. We talk about the secret love affair between Margaret Douglas and Lord Thomas Howard, the scandalous marriage of Bess Throckmorton and Walter Raleigh, and the explosive court drama surrounding Anne Vavasour and Edward de Vere.
Then Amy does what Amy does best and ties a beautiful bow on the whole conversation by exploring one of the most complicated relationship dynamics of the era: Bess of Hardwick, George Talbot, and Mary, Queen of Scots.
It’s messy, dramatic, and full of the kind of court intrigue we love to talk about - exactly what a Sunday Funday should be.
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Hosts: Rebecca Larson & Amy McElroy
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome back to Off the Record. I'm Rebecca Larson. And I'm Amy McElroy. And it's Sunday. So you know what that means. I think they usually, is it Sunday, fun day? That's what we're going to say from now on. Yeah, another episode of Off the Record. |
| 0:23.2 | I know, my favorite day of the week. |
| 0:25.7 | And I was just sitting here a moment ago trying to remember what episode we did last |
| 0:31.5 | a week. |
| 0:33.9 | It's been hard to remember. |
| 0:36.5 | I know. |
| 0:37.2 | You know, I do three episodes a week. |
| 0:39.2 | So sometimes I forget what I did yesterday. |
| 0:41.8 | So please don't come at me for not remembering. |
| 0:44.5 | But I did remember that last week and correct me if I am wrong, Amy. |
| 0:48.9 | We did. |
| 0:49.7 | What if James IV and Margaret Tudor didn't have an air essentially? |
| 0:53.3 | Yes. |
| 0:54.1 | Yeah. Yeah. |
| 0:54.7 | Okay. So, who, what kind of feedback did we get from that episode? |
| 1:01.4 | So, we got quite a few comments. |
| 1:06.9 | Some are about the specific topic. |
| 1:10.5 | Some were about the whole what-if discussions that we do as a whole. |
| 1:16.7 | Emily said, I like what-if questions because it requires thinking through all the social and political issues of a point in time and how those issues led to the next part of our history. |
| 1:27.0 | My brain immediately went to how the next part of our history, my brain immediately |
| 1:28.6 | went to how the question would affect American history. |
| 1:32.9 | But I'm an American of Scots descent, then my brain goes to that first. |
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