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People were saying no one wants to be more capital efficient or do anything programmable on Bitcoin.

And whenever I hear a black and white approach to things, I'm like, oh, my alarm goes off,

obviously, that's not right. So it's like, okay, if 10% of Bitcoin holders want capital efficiency

or programmability, you have an asset that's larger than Ethereum and or Sala.

Hello, welcome to Markets Daily, hosted by me, Jen Sanasi.

On this show, we navigate the currents shaping the crypto markets, providing insights against the

broader financial landscape. So whether you're actively trading or simply fascinated by the volatility

that is the crypto markets, this show is your compass to understanding what's happened where we are

and where we're going. On today's show, we are joined by Portal Ventures founder and general partner

Evan Fisher. Evan, welcome to the show.

Hey, Jen. Great to be here. Thanks for having me. Of course. Thank you for being here. It has been

quite an exciting and turbulent end to the year. Talk to me about what you're watching as we head

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