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Empire. Joining us for the first time today to talk population control and

eugenics is Mark Sutherland, who was born in Singapore, was raised in

Malaysia, Hong Kong, the Philippines, Australia, and North Yorkshire.

And the chance discovery of a suitcase of papers in a cellar in Britain in December 2013 led to his book,

Exterminating Poverty, the true story of the Eugenic Plan to get rid of the poor and the Scottish

doctor who opposed it, which will be discussing.

His links are in the description, halidaysutherland.com, as well as exterminating poverty book.com.

Welcome to the podcast, Mark.

Thank you very much, Halev, and thank you, yeah, thank you so much for having me and for your interest in the book.

Thanks. I just finished reading it here,

the digital version. Let me throw it up on my Kindle here. People can see exterminating

poverty. And yeah, anything you want to add about yourself as well as why you wrote the book?

Well, I wrote, I'll go straight to the why I wrote the book. I read the book. I was born in

1960, about six months after my grandfather, Dr. Halliday Sutherland died. And he's relevant

because he's the Scottish doctor who fought against eugenics. And I was named Halliday in his memory.

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