There was much more attacks on Donald Trump than I was expecting, but what about Mark Penn?

CEO and Chairman of Stagwell does the Harris polls, senior strategic roles on electoral campaigns for Bill Clinton, Senator Hillary Clinton, and

Prime Minister Tony Blair.

Mark, welcome back.

Thank you.

So Mark, what was your takeaway from the Obama's yesterday?

We know I could just as expected they're really strong speakers, but what about the substance?

What substance?

I mean that. Look, they were, they were really good speeches, they revved up the crowd.

The crowd loves the Obama's.

In fact, even the country really likes former President Obama more than probably you realize.

But there was no substance.

There was no Russia.

There was no Iran.

There was no Israel. There was no inflation, there was no crime, there was no,

it was surprisingly, you know, a speech is filled with, I think, know great platitudes and and they were

well delivered but they they bore kind of little relationship to reality and

I think the most fascinating thing of course is is that the

treatment is of president trumped as the incumbent president

I know president by that that's what I think is fascinating.

So you saw the media research group here a're a master of polls and studies, and they

came out and they looked at how the networks have covered both candidates, Camilla Harris and

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