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Hi everybody. This is the Untold Story podcast, and I'm Martha McCallum, and I'm very pleased to be joined today by Mark Penn, who has a long history in politics and polling. And we always get to

talk on the show for about two and a half minutes. So I really am

glad to have, that's why I love this podcast, because I could get to speak to guests for a little

bit longer and kind of pick their brains a little bit. So I like to start these though, Mark,

because it's called the untold story. Just give us a little, you know, thumbnail sketch of your life.

Like where you're from? How you got into politics?

Well, I originally got into polls before I got into politics, right? It was sort of my

hobby. I did a poll when I was age 13 of my school faculty and what they thought of race

relations. And I just loved polls, right? And then I wound up going to Harvard and a partner had a summer job

with a political consultant, but nobody knew how to do polls. So he came to me and said,

how do you do a poll? So we did a poll and it was actually the first poll we did was for Ed Koch,

who was in Congress, and we did the poll that really was his benchmark to become

mayor of New York City.

And he won, right?

Nobody thought he'd win.

So then I just got into polling and left, I went to law school, left law, and did that all

over the world, probably 25 different countries, Israel, Philippines, Latin America.

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