Mark Mattson: Building the Brain: Glutamate as Sculpture and Destroyer
The Origins Podcast with Lawrence Krauss
Lawrence M. Krauss
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🗓️ 29 May 2024
⏱️ 131 minutes
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Summary
You’ve probably heard of Serotonin, or Dopamine. Those are the sexy neurotransmitters that get all the press. However, you have probably not heard of Glutamate. Which is a shame because it is probably the most important neurotransmitter in the brain, responsible in large part for its growth, and also its plasticity.
Mark Mattson is a neuroscientist with a distinguished career as Director of the Laboratory of Neurosciences at the National Institute on Aging. While initially interested in developmental biology in animals, Mattson’s work in endocrinology led him to become to study the effect of hormones on the brain. Eventually he began to focus on the role of the Glutamate in neuroplasticity and Alzheimers disease. He realized how essential that neurotransmitter was for understanding the very formation of the brain, the growth of neurons, and the formation of axons and dendrites, as well as its key role in brain functions including learning and memory .
I first got to know Mark when we co-organized a workshop on Pattern Processing in the Human Brain, where we invited well known neuroscientists as well as computer scientists and AI researchers to come together to discuss areas of joint interest. The idea was to explore key features that may underlie consciousness, and also to explore how to ensure how to avoid the error-prone brain functioning such as one finds in Schizophrenia as AI systems are developed. The public event associated with the workshop was entitled Creativity and Madness, and involved a dialogue between me and actor Johnny Depp.
Most recently, Mark has written a fascinating book, entitled Sculptor and Destroyer, to describe and explain the importance of Glutamate in brain formation and functioning. We had a fascinating discussion about that, and also how he became interested in the brain after initially planning to become a veterinarian. I hope you find the discussion as enlightening as I did.
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| 0:00.0 | Hi, and welcome to the Orgence Podcast. I'm your host Lawrence Krause. In this episode, I had the opportunity to talk to an old friend and colleague, Mark Madsen, who was head for a while of the former chief of the laboratory of neuroscience at the National |
| 0:22.9 | Institute on Aging. I first got to know Mark a number of years ago when he and I co-organized |
| 0:29.0 | a workshop for the Origins Project on pattern processing in the human brain. We brought together |
| 0:35.1 | scientists from neuroscience as well as computer scientists |
| 0:39.7 | to talk about how pattern processing is handled in the brain and the computer scientists to talk |
| 0:44.6 | about how pattern processing is handled there. And of course, that's an emerging field with |
| 0:48.5 | a large language modules now that didn't exist back then. But the idea was, among other things, |
| 0:54.9 | to try and ensure that the mistakes of pattern processing that happen in the human brain, |
| 0:58.9 | like schizophrenia, don't get carried over to machines. And having that discussion of |
| 1:04.1 | neuroscientists and machine scientists was fascinating for me, and I hope for all the participants |
| 1:09.0 | at the meeting. |
| 1:17.7 | After that, Mark continued to work, and in fact recently, most recently published a new book called Sculptor and Destroyer, Tales of Glutamate, the brain's most important neurotransmitter. |
| 1:25.1 | Now, many of you have heard of dopamine or serotonin, other neurotransmitters. |
| 1:29.6 | They get discussed a lot in the news, but glutamate turns out to be the chief neurotransmitter |
| 1:34.3 | in the brain that's responsible for brain growth, synapse formation, and many of the aspects of |
| 1:39.6 | consciousness. It's unheralded, and Mark's book discusses all of the aspects in which glutamate is important. |
| 1:48.0 | We discussed that, we discussed his own interest, how he got involved in neurosciences, |
| 1:52.3 | and then ultimately what it was about its early work that led him to realize the importance |
| 1:56.4 | of glutamate, and we discussed its importance for learning, memory, synapse growth, and ultimately |
| 2:02.5 | for understanding issues that will be relevant for AI development. It was a fascinating |
| 2:09.8 | conversation. Mark is a serious scientist, and it was great to get back together with him and talk |
| 2:15.0 | about this issue and about this subject that's really unheralded, |
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