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So it's not as if in this scenario everybody dies, but I think the kind of post-apocalyptic society is very difficult to

visualize. We don't really have many historical analogs, even from famines. I mean, I talk about

cannibalism because that's a fairly common occurrence in famines and even in, you know, shipwrecks and

plane crashes and things. So it's quite likely that humans would eat each other

and that's the main source of remaining food in years like two to three to four. But what happens

in the kind of rebuilding scenario, I really have no clue. And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

There are some topics that are obviously incredibly important, and yet they tend to fall into the background of our political consciousness. Perhaps top of that list is the risk of nuclear

war, something that was the headlines during the Cuban missile crisis and various moments of geopolitical

tension, but that usually we sort of file away in our mental cabinets as something we should be

worried about, but I're not thinking about too much. I wanted to make sure that we give a topic

the attention it deserves in one of the conversations on this podcast.

And so I invited my good friend Mark Linus to talk about it.

Mark is a really interesting writer and activist who got started thinking about the risks of

climate change and as an environmental campaigner,

but has now written a book called Six Minutes to Winter, Nuclear War and How to Avoid It.

In the conversation, we talk about what the world would look like after a major nuclear

confrontation. How many people would die in an initial

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