985

Toucher and writ.

985, the sports, a book that's been getting a ton of press.

And as what I've seen, a lot of interesting, parts of it have come out it's called big game the NFL

in Dangerous Times it's written by mark Liebevich and he is kind enough to uh join us

mr lebeovic thank you so much my pleasure guys good to be with you all right so you got like

tremendous access to owners and players.

And how exactly did this happen? And what was the reason that you feel that they gave you that kind of access?

Beats me. I mean, you know, I'm obviously grateful for it. I mean, I guess it helps to be, I'm not a sports writer.

I mean, I cover politics from the New York Times and based in D.C.

And I think a lot of them just sort of, you know, sometimes I do this goofy pundit stuff on cable and maybe they'll see me and they think I know stuff.

And I say well

Donald was telling me the other day so that that was a bit of an icebreaker in many

ways but yeah I mean I guess part of it is I've written a few NFL pieces for the Times

magazine I wrote a piece on Brady Tom Brady in 20 well I'm glad I specified it was Tom Brady, not Mike Brady, the father on the Brady

bunch.

But Tom Brady a couple years ago, I did a story on Roger Goodell a couple years ago.

So I had some in, but, you know, mostly it's not that hard.

I mean, I think, you know, in some ways it's helpful to kind of swoop into a world that you don't know and that you're not really a part of because you get sort of a fresh set of eyes and you don't have any real impressions of you either way.

So I don't know, though.

I mean, I think a lot of them might regret it now, but it was interesting, but I was certainly grateful for the time

and access they gave me.

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