Mark Leibovich and Tim Miller, Part 2

Impolitic with John Heilemann

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News, Politics

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🗓️ 3 August 2022

⏱️ 53 minutes

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In a special two-part episode, John Heilemann talks with Mark Leibovich, former chief national correspondent for The New York Times Magazine, current staff writer for The Atlantic, and author of This Town, the iconic skewering of the culture of pre-Trump Washington, DC; and Tim Miller, former Republican strategist, current #NeverTrump gadfly-cum-firebrand, writer-at-large for The Bulwark, and host of Not My Party on Snap. Leibovich and Miller are also the authors of a pair of hot new books — Thank You For Your Servitude: Donald Trump's Washington and the Price of Submission and Why We Did It: A Travelogue from the Republican Road to Hell, respectively — that tell essentially the same tale from different sides of the looking glass: the story of "the supplicant fanboys" and "parasitic suck-ups" who "permitted Donald Trump's depravity to be inflicted on the rest of us" (Leibovich); of "the army of [GOP] consultants, politicians, media figures" who "recognized all the risks but still climbed aboard for a ride on the SS Trump Hellship" (Miller). Heilemann and the authors discuss the dom-sub nature of the relationship between Trump and Mike Pence, Lindsey Graham's soulless craving for proximity to power, Miller's own flirtation with the dark side, and the broader pattern of Republican complicity, corruption, and cowardice that enabled Trump's rise, his rule, and his violent plot to overturn a presidential election and trash American democracy ... all of which, terrifyingly, persists unabated to this day.

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1:25.2	Hey everyone, welcome back to Helen Highwater, part two of our special two-part episode with
1:28.8	Mark Liebvich and Tim Miller, both authors of New York Times Best Sellers, a recent vintage just
1:34.4	out in the last couple months. Tim's book Why We Did It, Mark's book Thank You for Your Servitude,
1:39.5	both of them essentially about the Trump era through the eyes of people who enabled Donald
1:45.5	Trump rather than Donald Trump himself. We spent part one of the podcast, which if you haven't
1:49.9	heard it already, you gotta go back, stop now, hit pause, go back, listen to part one. We talked
1:54.1	about some news of the day, Mike Pence last week failing to really go after Donald Trump, even
1:59.2	though Trump wanted to see him killed, talking about Trump coddling the Saudis and casting doubt
2:03.4	about whether we really know what happened on 9-11, a little bit about Merrick Garland, and then we dove
2:07.4	into these two books and their socio-cultural analysis of the culture of republicanism in Washington,
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