I'm going to be a little bit more excited about this show.

Welcome to the Eric Mataxus show with your host Eric Mataxus.

Hey there folks, I don't know about you, but I'm very, very, very excited about my next guest on this program.

How could you be excited? You don't even know who the guest is. Well, now I'm going to tell you, his name is Mark Leneer.

And like all of the best people, he's complicated and difficult to sum up.

He's on this program today because he's written yet another book, but he's not somebody you would really maybe know as an author.

He's written a lot of big deal books, but he is also kind of a big deal in the world of lawyers.

Maybe I can get him to explain to us who he really is.

I am really, really excited finally to meet Mark Leneer. Mark, welcome.

Eric is such a delight. You, you of course, have had a riveting influence in the world, but you've certainly had a riveting influence in my life and in my circle of friends.

And so it's an honor to get to be on your screen.

Now I know you're lying. And I'm going to tell you that's not going to cut it on this program.

We don't blow smoke. A lot of people of faith listen to this program. I will not put up with it.

Listen, you, you really are somebody that a lot of mutual friends have, have mentioned you and your library there in Houston and stuff.

And I thought I want to cover everything I want also obviously mostly to talk about your new book, your book.

Let me, let me say this out of the gate. It's called Atheism on Trial.

A lawyer examines the case for unbelief. So that's, that's the headline author of Atheism on Trial.

But Mark, Leneer, you, you're not just a lawyer. You're, you've been a very successful lawyer.

If you don't mind blowing your own horn, I know you're going to just stick with the facts here.

Tell us if you don't mind who you are in the world of, of plaintiffs lawyers, how that works.

Well, by the grace of God, I really believe we've been given a, I've been given a prominent role.

I try the nation's biggest cases. I just finished trying the biggest opioid case.

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