Mark Krikorian on Realistic Immigration Reform

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Vivek Ramaswamy

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🗓️ 14 June 2023

⏱️ 37 minutes

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In this episode of the Vivek Show, host Vivek Ramaswamy and guest Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, delve into an insightful conversation on U.S. immigration policy. They debate on topics like border security, the role of the military, and the political implications of immigration policy. Krikorian emphasizes the power of normal law enforcement in securing the border and advocates for substantial legal and policy changes. Ramaswamy and Krikorian further address the contentious issue of legal immigration, its role in modern society, and the effects of immigration on domestic labor. Krikorian presents compelling arguments on the need for a shift in approach, suggesting the categorization of legal immigration into family, skills, and humanitarian aspects. Finally, they discuss the impact of foreign students in American universities and possible reforms in this area. This episode presents thought-provoking perspectives and viable solutions to the complex issue of immigration. -- Donate here: https://t.co/PE1rfuVBmb For more content follow me here: Twitter - @VivekGRamaswamy Instagram - @vivekgramaswamy Facebook - http://facebook.com/VivekGRamaswamy Truth Social - @VivekRamaswamy Rumble - @VivekRamaswamy -- 00:01:22 - Vivek Ramaswamy calls for an overview of the objectives of the U.S. immigration system, highlighting the need for reform. 00:03:01 - Mark Krikorian stresses the need for political will to bolster border security through regular law enforcement means. 00:07:25 - Krikorian examines the potential political risks linked with deploying the military for border control. 00:08:30 - Ramaswamy addresses the crisis at the southern border and underscores the urgency for a viable solution. 00:10:30 - Krikorian suggests policy reform could modify law enforcement roles, negating the need for military involvement. 00:12:30 - Ramaswamy inquires about Krikorian's pragmatic approach to addressing immigration. 00:15:42 - Krikorian highlights the deep state problem and the culture within law enforcement agencies like Border Patrol and ICE. 00:17:42 - Krikorian emphasizes enforcing the law and deportation as key factors to address border security. 00:20:00 - He talks about incentivizing neighboring countries like Mexico to assist in immigration enforcement. 00:22:51 - Krikorian underscores the importance of discussing legal immigration in the context of modern society. 00:24:30 - He suggests dividing legal immigration into family, skills, and humanitarian categories. 00:28:45 - Ramaswamy discusses potential benefits of skilled immigrants for businesses. 00:31:30 - Krikorian argues that attracting skilled immigrants could reduce domestic worker investment. 00:32:23 - Krikorian expresses his opposition to temporary worker programs. 00:35:42 - Krikorian proposes a cap on foreign students in U.S. universities. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	We have a major problem on our southern border. This is obvious. This is not novel to observe, but nonetheless, as obvious as the problem is, we haven't
0:17.4	done anything about it.
0:18.9	One of the things that I've said is that this is a solvable problem. I believe that if we can't secure our southern
0:25.8	border by other means, it is a legally, morally, and ethically justified use of US military resources to actually secure our own
0:37.6	southern border and I've gone into depth as to why that's in line with even norms like posse comitadas which say we can't use the military to carry
0:46.4	out law enforcement functions that's different from actually securing using the military to
0:51.1	secure literally the border itself.
0:54.2	But there's a deeper question in our country that we sometimes sidestep and avoid, frankly, many conservatives do certainly, by focusing exclusively on the border issue
1:08.9	without addressing what our policy ought to be on immigration itself.
1:15.0	You could say our immigration system is broken and it is, but part of the reason that it's broken is that we first have to decide what our objectives are. What are we actually trying to achieve
1:24.4	through immigration in the first place? And in my experience, this is something that many in our movement,
1:29.2	forget the left. Many conservatives themselves have I think purposefully been or maybe subconsciously been
1:36.8	vague on and I think that one of the things that I hope this presidential primary season
1:41.2	does is we smoke out where we stand not just on the lengths to which
1:46.4	we will go to achieve border security but also what we hope to achieve through
1:52.4	our system of legal immigration and I think once
1:55.4	we've identified that objective then reforming it accordingly becomes that much
2:00.1	easier. So I'm joined today by someone who has thought deeply about both sets of
2:06.7	questions. Questions relating to border security, especially at the southern border, but also the
2:12.1	question of broader reform of the immigration system, and even not just the reform of the immigration system, but reflecting on what the objectives of our immigration system ought to be.
2:22.0	It's Mark Corcorian.
2:23.5	He is the executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies,
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