Hello and welcome to the Bullock podcast I'm your host Tim Miller. I'm here today

with Mark Joseph Stern senior writer at, covering courts in the law,

a prominent figure on X. He was at the Supreme Court today for the immunity arguments and he's

coming at us live from outside the Supreme Court.

If you hear the birds chirping, that's just spring in Washington.

Hey brother, thanks for doing it.

Hey, of course, a pleasure to come on.

If we're coming out a little late today, guys, we wanted to wait until, you know,

this testimony was over so critical to you

know both you know Donald Trump's legal prospects as well as the future of our

democracy so we've got a longer interview with Dave Waggle coming on the second half of this but

Mark I feel like we're gonna start people with some bad news I saw your kind of live

tweeting this and and basically you sum this up bad bad day for Jack Smith explain why.

Yeah it was not a great day for the special counsel because it sounded like at least

five justices are pretty skeptical of this prosecution at least particular

details of the prosecution that really go to the heart of the case which is

Donald Trump's effort to abuse his powers of office in order to overturn the 2020

election and secure an unearned victory. You had all five male

conservatives. It was an interesting gender split really

pummeling the government's lawyer Michael Dreeben with these hostile and

aggressive hypotheticals essentially suggesting that the real threat to

democracy is not January 6th or the events that preceded it but the efforts by the

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