And for Mark, here again is Jesse Weber.

All right, let's talk a little state of politics with Ed Rollins.

Ed is an American political consultant strategist, an advisor who's worked on several

high-profile Republican political campaigns in the United States in 1983 and 1984.

Rollins was a national campaign director for the successful Reagan Bush 1984 campaign, and Ed is

with the pro-Trump Great America Pack. Ed, thanks so much for coming on.

Morning, Jesse. How are you?

I'm good. I want to start with what I talked about at the beginning of the show. I am of the

belief that this mugshot, and frankly, the indictments themselves,

can be used by Trump to his political advantage and already is being used for his political

advantage. Do you see it the same way?

Absolutely. You're absolutely correct. They will sell more T-shirts with his mugshot on,

and this

this will be the this will be the picture he'll use everywhere in his campaign because he's

obviously running as a candidate who's being mistreated by the federal government by state

government and they're doing everything they can the democrats to keep him from winning the

presidency back again whether that is accurate or not is not, what's relevant, what's relevant is the perception

is very relevant among Republicans and Trump supporters.

And his, his pose was not by accident, right?

Nothing, nothing Trump does is by accident.

Who turns themselves in at 7.30 at night, the middle of prime time.

He made it a TV spectacular.

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