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The Bulwark Podcast

Mark Hertling: The Cowards of ICE

The Bulwark Podcast

The Bulwark

News, Politics, Society & Culture, News Commentary

4.611.6K Ratings

🗓️ 14 January 2026

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

To the people who have actually served in war zones—and been up close and personal in real do-or-die situations—the masked, heavily armed agents who are stalking our streets are thugs and cowards. And they would be nobodies without the badges and guns that have been gratuitously handed to them. Meanwhile, amid all the action around Venezuela, Russia's relentless attacks on Ukraine's power sources in the dead of winter is being overlooked by much of the American media. And Trump's fixation with  Greenland has the Swedes talking about making nuclear weapons. Plus, airstrikes on Iran alone would miss the strategic mark, Trump still hasn't stopped eight-plus wars, and the Havana Syndrome is real.

Retired Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling joins Tim Miller.

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome with the Bullwark podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. We are dialing in on military news, both in American streets and abroad on today's show. But there's a lot of other

0:22.4

stuff going on, particularly on the legal front, including the dramatic resignations in Minnesota

0:28.1

of prosecutors who are refusing DOJ pressure to investigate the widow of Renee, Nicole Good,

0:35.1

I guess, for talking to ICE officers inappropriately. It's just disgusting what

0:41.0

we're seeing of the DOJ, but good on those prosecutors for resigning. Much more on that

0:45.8

and all the other stuff in the legal news over on our newish podcast, Illegal News, with

0:52.0

Sarah Longwell. This is our relaunch of George Conway explains

0:55.3

it all since George is running for Congress. You heard George on this show last week. He was pretty

1:00.0

hot. And we're going to keep the legal news going, though, or the illegal news in this case.

1:05.3

Sarah is getting a rotating cast of sharp experts. She's got Andrew Weissman and others to break everything down.

1:11.8

The new episode is that today with Asha Rangapa, who I've got to know recently and I love.

1:16.8

So go check out the illegal news over on YouTube Substacker, your podcast app of choice.

1:21.7

On this show, he's back.

1:23.6

He's retired U.S. Army, Lieutenant General.

1:25.9

He was commander during the 2007-9 troop surge in Iraq. He's retired U.S. Army Lieutenant General. He was commander during the 2007-to-9 troop surge in Iraq.

2:00.8

He's also commanding general of the U.S. Army Europe. He writes on military affairs for the bulwark. It's Mark Hurtling. How you doing, sir? Hey, I'm doing great, Tim. Good to be with you. And if I can just reinforce what you just said about Asherang Gapha, she's awesome. I've gotten to know her really well over the last couple of years and a brilliant legal mind. She's really great. She is. And, you know, while we're glazing people, just having you here is just amazing. I feel so lucky to have you with the bulwark. For people a little behind the scenes, it's a little weird, I would say, to have a commanding general of U.S. Army Europe sitting through our Monday meeting where we're discussing whether to do a blog

2:04.9

post on the Groypers or reading the Slack discussions about buckle fat removal. But you're in all

2:10.6

of it. You're just, you're diving straight in, and we appreciate you. I've been in staff meetings

2:15.4

that have been much worse, so everything's going fine.

2:18.9

All right. We have so much to cover. I want to start with morning shots. Your section was called

2:25.0

masks, courage, and accountability. And you wrote about your experience with the Iraqi police

2:31.1

and masks and kind of some lessons from that and how it relates to what

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