And the Hey everybody's Andrew Clavin with this week's interview with Mark Hemingway.

Mark you probably know is one of the most insightful commentators on the right.

He's a senior writer at Real Clear Investigations,

where they do great work, and a senior editor

at the Federalist where they do great work,

and he's also a recipient, all kinds of things.

He just makes me feel bad. Things that he's won,

the Phillips Foundation Gold Award Journalism Fellowship and other fellowships, you know,

places where they don't let the rest of us in. I wanted to talk to him because as I've repeatedly said we're

witnessing a complete collapse of the elite left but at the same time that doesn't

mean we're going to see a victory of the right. It's a kind of weird ear eerie moment of stillness where the center has

collapsed and we're just waiting to see who's going to fill it and I'm wondering if

he sees the path forward. Mark it's great to see you how you doing? I'm doing all right. Glad to be back.

Yeah, it's nice to have you back. So I'm watching what's going on. We're watching the

exposure of not just Joe Biden's decay but the dishonesty that we've seen that now

obviously goes through the entire establishment. You wrote a piece recently, you've

written a number of pieces I want to talk to you about, but one of them was called America's corrupt political clash should be prosecuted, not Trump.

Let's start there. This seems obviously true, but is it realistic? I mean, we're watching these guys

Hound Donald Trump. It's such a gaslight moment. Is there some way to respond to this

without becoming our enemies?

Well that is sort of the $64,000 political question right now.

I mean, we have to figure out what we can do to return things to some sort of like baseline of fairness and the question is is

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