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It's Bullseye. I'm Jesse Forn.

Before I bring out my guest this week, I want to present to you kind of a thought experiment.

Imagine an actor. Had his early break on some sitcoms in the late 70s, cut his teeth on Broadway, found what might be called a calling by taking on some outrageous voice roles. The bigger and sillier the cartoon

character, the better. Now it's the 2020s. He's in his early 70s. And the parts he's getting

are the kinds character actors dream about. An eccentric villainous

lawyer in a horror drama, a quirky, culty, slightly lovable kidnapper in an indie comedy,

cameos in shows like what we do in the shadows, kids in the hall, and mystery science theater

3,000. And most recently, a goofy sort of geppetto-like grandpa in an epic life-affirming drama.

Think about a resume like that, and where does your mind go?

Maybe like a Richard Kind or a Stephen Root, Luis Guzman?

That's close.

But as wonderful as all those actors are, and they are wonderful.

None of them have done what my guest today has done.

None of them are, or have ever been, Luke Skywalker. Yeah, that's right. I'm talking with Mark Hamill this week.

When Hamill agreed to take the lead role in Star Wars, it not only made his career,

it defined him as one very particular thing in the eyes of fans, writers, and casting directors.

And don't get me wrong, it is a part he will always be grateful to have gotten. But when you're a guy

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