On this episode of Skeptico, a show about finding common ground.

I'm sorry, we can't find a common ground on this one, Congressman.

Maybe Colossus is trying to find a common ground for communication.

Trying to make sure that you like her too by desperately searching for common ground.

Well, I was just going to interject because it's one of the points where we can really kind of

agree.

Yeah.

But like, here's my read of the situation.

Viruses are somehow making people sick.

And then it can also be true all those other things,

that as we've come to understand viruses better, we go, gee, we really don't know what the

heck is going on here. And the definition that we gave, like you gave, is really very incomplete

and is inaccurate at this point. Well, if you're looking at it that way, we might be much closer than I realized, because

what I've been trying to do, and I think the no virus position is doing, is attacking the very

specific definition of a virus that's come up in the last, let's say, 70 plus years.

So that clip you just heard was from my upcoming conversation slash ongoing dialogue experiment with Mark Gober, who has been on the show

several times before, a ton of respect for Mark. He's written all the upside down books,

end of upside down thinking, end of upside down. I forget the last one is medicine,

and there's like three in between. I'll have links to them below.

So this is just, oh, man, it's classic skeptico.

It's where I'm going with the show, which by the way, kind of ties into something I didn't want to mention.

So today is like the first day that you can buy my new book, YAI, is smartest, is dangerous, is divine.

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