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exclusions apply. 18 plus scummelaware.org. Since I have been a reporter, and that's been a long time now, one lawyer, Mark Garigos,

has been at the forefront of just about every high-profile criminal case in America.

And he's always got a very interesting take, even on the cases perhaps that he hasn't had representation in.

And so it is that we wanted Mark Garragher goes to have a seat with me for this episode.

Mark, thank you for being with us.

Thank you.

It's always good to be on this podcast as opposed to your daydice.

Exactly.

People don't like the predators I've caught podcasts in terms of being on it as much as they

like to be on this one.

Yeah, I would think that's one that you want to assiduously avoid.

Although I don't think you've represented any of my predators.

I've tried to. I've tried not to.

I'm so I'm there.

We can have a whole podcast about your belief on various people that are either currently living or dead in the news right now, but I don't think that's what you want to talk about.

Well, we can talk about all kinds of things. What do you think, by the way, the Epstein case

thrust back into the news yesterday with these emails released. Nothing criminal seems to be in there

regarding the president or anybody else, really.

What strikes me, and I want to hear your take on it, is that Epstein comes off as a master

manipulator who knows he's about to get into serious trouble.

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