Murder is the ultimate crime. To me, a nobody murder is the ultimate murder, so it's really

the peak of the peak.

I've got Weinberger, investigative journalist and former deputy sheriff.

I'm Anna Sige-Nikolazi, former New York City homicide prosecutor and host of investigation

discoveries through conviction.

And this is an out of me of murder.

I'm excited to talk about today's case for a few reasons. The case itself is the type

that the more you hear about it and really unbox it, there's all these other things that

come to light that I never even expected to be there at all.

We often talk about how some cases have really unique challenges for investigators.

You think you have things completely figured out and then bam, the case takes a 180 degree

turn. And today's story does have several of those moments.

This case hasn't been profiled much before from what I could gather only once.

But here we got that inside looked by talking to one of the prosecutors on the case.

For today's case, I interviewed Ted DeBias and his reputation precedes him.

He was a former US attorney and he is now currently the general counsel for the Capitol

police.

But here is something really interesting.

Every year at the beginning of the year, I teach a law school class at Harvard for a

week.

A friend of mine is texting me because we were virtual this year because of COVID and

he's saying, hey, you know, I know that you're always interviewing people.

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