Welcome to the Eric McTaxis show with your host, Eric Mettaxas.

Folks, welcome to hour two.

Yes, there are two hours.

Don't be scared.

Everything's going to be okay. I'm still talking to Mario Marillo. We are, we're going to get into some really important stuff. And Mario just began that at the end of hour one about where we are in the culture today and whether the church has an obligation to wade into the political waters, parentheses, yes, obviously they do, close paren.

So, Mario, you, my wife and I have been watching you and, you know, reading some of your stuff,

and we just cheer because there are so few who seem to get what

strikes us, unfortunately, as obvious that if we do not speak out against evil, I mean,

I think it was just last night. I was with a friend, and we were talking about how is it

possible that some of these pastors don't get into this stuff

and by not getting into it are helping, aiding, and abetting the enemy. They don't think they are.

They think there's some neutral ground. And as I thought about it, I thought to myself,

they have persuaded themselves,

or they have allowed the enemy in a sense

to put them in a corner where they say, hey,

it's all about evangelism.

We can never be political because we might offend somebody.

And there's a time when that all has to go away.

You say, like, you know what?

I just have to speak the truth,

and I might offend somebody, but things have come to a place where I need to speak truth. And if that

offends somebody who voted this way, that way, that can't be the final arbiter. It doesn't mean

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