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Novelist Marilyn Robinson and physicist Marcelo Glizer are both passionate about the majesty

of science and they share a caution about what they call our modern piety towards science.

They connect thrilling dots among the current discoveries about the cosmos and the new

territory of understanding our own minds. We bring them together for a joyous,

heady discussion of the mystery we are. I tell my students actually that the mind continuously

creates hypotheses and when you're writing fiction you're doing something of the same kind.

This is the best model I can create of what this reality would be. Do you feel when you write

and you create characters, do you feel like they drive you in a certain way? Absolutely.

And thank God when they do. Because we do too, we're not always in control. We're just making

sure all the minus signs and the plus signs match. But it really has a way that it wants to go.

And when you find a solution or something that looks like a solution, you get emotionally moved.

I'm Christa Tippett and this is on Being.

I interviewed Marcelo Glizer and Marilyn Robinson in 2012 at the National Constitution Center

in Philadelphia. We were there at the invitation of the Princeton Center for Theological Inquiry

and its director, Will Storer.

Well, I did not prepare an introduction to these two. I don't think Marilyn Robinson

needs any introduction. Can I say that you are one of the most requested names that comes through

our email inbox of my program year after year. So finally, you are the author of Haskeeping,

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