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Hello and welcome to The Shift, the podcast that aims to tell the no-holds-bar truth about being a woman post-40, created and hosted by me, journalist and author, Sam Baker.

My guest this week was known for her willingness to say it like it is, even before she made a TV show about the menopause.

No, not that one. The one before.

Broadcaster Mariela Frostrop was banging the menopause drum back in 2018 when her own ignorance about her symptoms at first shocked

and then prompted her to do something about it. The resulting documentary, The Truth About

Menopause, was a smash hit. And now she's followed that up with a book, Cracking the Menopause,

written with her friend journalist Alice Smelly. If you're a fan of the book of this podcast, The Shift, How I Lost and Found Myself After 40, and you can too. Mariella's book will be right up your street. Fearlessness, as you get older, to me, is a much more attractive quality than the ability to, you know, keep looking 28 or whatever age people aspire to look.

That fearlessness, I think, is sexy as hell.

Mariella and I talk candidly about all things menopause, from menopause ignorance to sleeplessness to the bubble of poison bile that surrounds the whole subject.

She also has plenty to say about women being scrapheaped at 50 and why the time has come to stop bloody putting up with it.

Okay, I've switched off the volume. I'm so excited. I just got given this new phone case. A friend of mine had two.

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