I have an exciting and very timely guest today Marian Williamson. She's declared she's running for president again wants to challenge Joe Biden if you're looking at today's polls couldn't

be kind of better time for somebody who wants to do that just came out today that Trump would beat him in a

head to head 45 to 39 which is kind of frightening.

Ray William said has written 13 books. I'm not even going to introduce it.

She's been described so many different ways

as far as what you do outside of being an author

of being a political candidate

that I want to hear you describe it

because I've read everything from trendy amalg amalgam of Christianity, Buddhism, pop psychology,

and 12-step recovery wisdom to a spirit guru, to a self-help guru, to a, and everything. So tell me your brand, because that's what the show is all about,

beyond candidate, beyond author, what is it?

Well, it's interesting because you just talked about a trendy blend of.

And then the blend that you mentioned is pretty accurate, except I would take exception to the

word trendy.

Okay.

It's a cultural movement. It's a cultural movement.

It's something going on not only in this country, but on this planet, whereby people are seeking

for, whether through psychotherapy, through spirituality, through yoga, through traditional religion.

Some deeper understanding and deeper sense of purpose and meaning.

I think a lot of the people who are making fun of that probably go to yoga classes, go to therapy,

are doing what they can do in their own lives to find a deeper sense of meaning and purpose,

particularly at this time when clearly something is falling apart

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