Marianna in Conspiracyland 2: 1. The Dove and the Pigeon
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BBC
2.8 • 947 Ratings
🗓️ 23 June 2025
⏱️ 33 minutes
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Summary
What happened to Paloma? Aged 22, Paloma Shemirani has her whole life ahead of her. She’s recently graduated, moved into a flat and found a job. But just days before Christmas in 2023 she receives bad news, she has cancer - an aggressive but treatable form of Lymphoma. Despite a good prognosis, Paloma decides - at least initially - to reject chemotherapy. The BBC’s social media investigations correspondent Marianna Spring investigates what happened and what this tells us about the mainstreaming of anti-medicine ideas.
Host: Marianna Spring Producer: Anna Harris Story Editor: Matt Willis Sound Designer: Tony Churnside Editor: Sam Bonham Commissioning producer: Nathan Jones Commissioning editor: Rhian Roberts
This was a BBC collaboration with Panorama.
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| 0:00.0 | A group of men ran in with machetes. |
| 0:03.8 | I'm Livy Haydock, and from BBC Sounds and BBC Radio 5 Live, |
| 0:08.6 | this is gangster, the story of Georgie Pye. |
| 0:13.2 | The scene of the killing near a Chinese bookshop is being flooded with detectives. |
| 0:17.0 | Welcome to the world of the triads. |
| 0:19.6 | If the triads are coming out of you, you're done. |
| 0:21.5 | Where loyalty is sworn in blood. |
| 0:24.8 | Gangster, the story of Georgie Pye. |
| 0:27.6 | Listen first on BBC Sounds. |
| 0:31.4 | BBC Sounds, music, radio podcasts. |
| 0:37.1 | I met Ploma. I think it was year eight or year nine. She sat down next to me and |
| 0:44.0 | when we started talking, you know, when you just really connect with someone and you just feel |
| 0:48.9 | that you've known them forever. This is Shontal. She's telling me about one of her best friends, Paloma Shemirani. |
| 0:57.3 | Just really connected and it's kind of the friends where you just look at each other |
| 1:01.8 | and just start laughing and get in trouble because you're not paying attention. |
| 1:06.1 | So we used to get separated a lot in classes. |
| 1:10.2 | Chatting too much? |
| 1:11.2 | Yeah, for chatting a lot. |
| 1:13.5 | But for some reason she always got to stay. |
| 1:15.6 | I was always the one that got moved, |
| 1:17.0 | so I always used to find that a bit annoying. |
| 1:18.8 | Chantelle and Paloma started spending more time together, |
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